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Carrie, Cult Flop To Fan Favourite

• Tim and Lj • Season 3 • Episode 32

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Prom night with pyro, pig’s blood, and a descending staircase that almost took out a Broadway legend—Carrie The Musical isn’t just theatre, it’s folklore. We trace how Stephen King’s telekinetic teen went from RSC curiosity to five-performance flop to a cult favourite rescued by fans, rewrites, and sheer stubborn love for the messy, the bold, and the almost-great.

We start with the jitters—why some of us hate being scared—and move into the show’s DNA: a creative team linked to Fame and Footloose, an RSC production bristling with lasers and last‑minute changes, and a Broadway transfer that collapsed under murderous reviews. Then we dig into why Carrie endures. The score swings between angsty hallways and hymnal fervour; The World According To Chris crackles with weaponised teen logic, And Eve Was Weak exposes control dressed up as care, and Dreamers In Disguise briefly lets tenderness breathe. Bullying, religious fanaticism, and the ache to be seen are the true horrors here, and the prom’s Destruction lands like a moral reckoning rather than a jump scare.

We also look at the show’s second life: the 2012 revision that clarified tone, Riverdale’s musical episode that reintroduced the songs to a new generation, and the theatre nerds who traded grainy clips until the myth grew bigger than the box office. Could a contemporary revival work? We think so—less spectacle, more precision: a staged-in-the-round gym, surgical lighting, and sound design that turns breath into dread. The core question remains painfully current: what happens when cruelty meets power and apologies arrive too late?

If you enjoy smart, slightly spooky deep dives into musicals with complicated legacies, hit follow, share this with a theatre friend, and leave a review telling us: should Carrie get a modern movie-musical remake, or stay a cult legend?

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Hello and welcome to Musical Lyrical Lingo, where your hosts, Tim.

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And LJ. Today and every week we will be discussing musicals, but specifically what they taught us.

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Really don't like it. Really don't like it. You were you looked like you were about to do something. What were you gonna do?

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No, I was like shuddering. Is that the right word?

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Did you did you know I was gonna let my lucky will ask?

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No, I'm just actually preparing myself for today.

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These are like your favorite episodes every year, aren't they? You know, come Halloween, you're gonna have the heeby jeebies.

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I just hate it. I just I don't I don't hate Halloween. I don't just don't like deliberately being scared or feeling uncomfortable or uneasy. So I won't watch scary films or I won't watch anything that makes me feel uncomfortable.

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So you've never watched a scary film?

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No, I have. Then not slept for a week.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Or I remember going and saying House in the Haunted Hill or some film like that.

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At the cinema? At the cinema. You went to see a scary movie at the cinema.

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My lovely friends just said we're going to the cinema, and I show up and that's what was being shown. Like there was no other option. Okay. Because I knew I wouldn't have come if yeah, and then I had to get my mum to sleep with me for a week. And I'm not joking, I was 13. And that still scar still scared me. That's right. Like when we were on holiday in America and we did the backlot tour, and there's the what tour? The backlot tour.

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Backlot?

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Yes, so you're on the sets in Universal.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They have like somebody dressed up. No, I I understand I'm from the world of drama and acting and performances. They had somebody dressed up as um the man from Psycho.

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Okay, yeah.

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And he followed. I'm in this like bus. I'm in a bus. He walked and he followed, and I was petrified. I was nearly climbing out that window.

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Yeah.

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Like I just don't like it. See fright nights and all those things. No, thank you.

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You just mentioned fright nights because I was gonna bring it up. Um, like people who go to those, I just don't understand their rationale whatsoever. Like, I want to know, first of all, for a performer, that must be one of the worst gigs to have to do. Like it must be horrendous having to like frighten people, but also I want to know how many performers have been like hurt in the process of being trying to scare other people. Yeah, trying to because honestly, if I was to go on one of those fright nights, I would I'd lash out. I think I'd I'd I'd slap or punch or something.

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Yeah, I've done the London Dungeons and I did it once with a drama grip, and I walked behind somebody and pushed them like it was awful, like awful. Some of my students actually are going on a local fright night next week, and they were like, please come. I was like, and I I can't. Like, I actually can't. And it's so strange because my daughter loves Halloween and scary wingbies, so does my husband.

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I was gonna say, but uh I because uh Aaron would remind me of someone who would like I don't know what that means. I could I could imagine like Aaron like enjoying a scary movie, yeah, loves him, and so does CJ.

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Absolutely loves him.

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See, I knew there was something about your season. There's another wee side to her, isn't there?

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She just likes you know, slasher movies, like screams and all. She's what? She's 13.

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I know, I know 14 in 14 days, as she told me tonight.

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But well, my son doesn't realize he's starting to say, like, oh no, I might be able to watch it, and I'm like, no, sweetheart, I you're me. Like, you're literally me. I know. You're begging, please don't watch it. But usually we'll be someone else in the scumbo. Like uh Little Shop of Horror.

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Yeah, yeah, he loves little shop, he loves little shop, he loves little shop, so yes, and to be fair, little shop is as is the closest I would probably get to a horror movie. Like I famously did. I think I've said told the story before. Like when I tell this story, people think I'm like fibing.

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Right.

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But genuinely, I went to see Men in Black in the cinema and I screamed and jumped so high that I was nearly in the road behind me. And I promise you, that's no word of a lie, like mortified.

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Yeah. So And the thing is, we like what we like, it's okay just to stick with it. And I just don't like anything that makes me feel uncomfortable or uneasy and Halloween musicals too. I'm worried.

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I'm worried because we I'm might be gone away for over half term. Um and I'm worried I'm going to be made to watch these like 20 days later. Have you heard of 20 days later? 28 days later. 28 days later, things like that. And I can't, I can't do it.

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No.

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Like a pillow isn't enough for me to hide behind. I'd be hiding behind the sofa.

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See, those things there are like zombies and things like that.

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And but that's even worse for me.

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Right, okay. So you really don't like I I could deal with things like that a little bit more than I can deal with somebody wants to murder you and they're going to jump out and there's going to be a like a ghost or yeah. I just I think because I really like to know and plan things, it's the the fear of the unknown that I don't like.

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Yeah.

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So I don't like that anticipation.

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Scary movies that are also like part scary but also part ridiculous, like funny comedy type movies. I can't I can't cope with them either. Yeah, no, I'm just So why do we decide every year to do uh Halloween musical lyrical lingo?

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Well, I mean the last couple over the last couple of years have been really nice. Rocky horror, Adam's family.

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Well, yeah, because we picked all the nice ones first that genuinely don't give you the HBJBs, but we've now reached the stage where we're gonna have to tick the your five.

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I know.

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What and I still don't know your five. I'm aware of a few now.

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Yeah.

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But yeah.

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I know.

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Will I be surprised by the the remainder of the five musicals that you just can't you can't deal with? So I think. Will I be surprised?

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Or like maybe as it goes on, you're probably not gonna be able to do that.

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So we know so far that Sweeney Todd is in that list.

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Yeah.

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That's the one that's the one we've covered on the pod so far, isn't it? That's the only one.

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That's the only one we've covered. Right, so now it's and we know that Avita did make does make me feel uneasy.

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But it's not one of your five, is it?

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No, it's not one of my five, but it would be in my top ten.

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Okay, right, okay. That'll be the next top Lauren's top ten musicals that make her feel uncomfortable. That's some episode, isn't it? Okay, so then today's Halloween musical special is number two. Yeah. Or the second one on your list. Okay, so we have another three to work out.

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So yeah, I think you will. You will be surprised.

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But And have you ever seen today's musical?

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Not the musical.

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But you've seen the film.

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I've seen the film.

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Okay.

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Hagian was watching.

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So I haven't seen the film, but I've s seen the musical. Okay, so that's kind of good. So this'll be interesting. Yeah.

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Well, this is a Halloween episode.

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So prepare yourself.

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So prepare if you're a bit like me, maybe hide, but also I'm gonna start this off by asking you some Halloween questions.

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But I'm rubbish at Halloween questions.

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Well, I just thought it would be a really good quiz.

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Other than have you ever dressed up for Halloween? Yes.

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Well, yes, you do love a good dress up.

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Once upon a time, yeah, not anymore. I'm getting off lol. No, I'm an old fart.

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And you know what? It's really funny, like listening to my kids who are at that age where they do really like Halloween and they enjoy dressing up, but they want a reason to dress up. And we were at drama class the other day, there was a couple of them chatting, and they've kind of decided that there's a little trio of them, and they've decided they're gonna go as Peter Pan, Wendy, and Tinkerbell. And I'm like, but where he's going, we don't know yet.

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So they dressing up, but also none of them are they going as like the scary Halloween version of those characters. No, they're just dressing up as Peter Pell. I don't think they're quite understanding the concept of dressing up for Halloween.

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You see, that's the thing. No, not everybody does. Like it's like that line in Mean Girls, you know, you think it's like you have to dress up spooky and horrible, but actually it's all about being really pretty and just dressing up.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, my favorite thing about Halloween is I do love Halloween. I love October, it's my favorite month of the year, love it all. But then once Halloween hits, it ends in the first of November and I start watching all Christmas movies. So that's why I get very excited.

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Oh my goodness, so you you're gonna be watching the Christmas movies, literally. Oh Lauren. I keep forgetting about this about you. What ridiculous nonsense. Right.

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So I've got this Halloween quiz. I think you'll you'll ease this. Okay. How many questions have we got? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. I've got eight. How many questions do you think you're gonna get, right?

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Four. I'm tired and overworked. My brain's not working.

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I think you're gonna get five.

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Go for it. Okay. Well, you've got as much confidence in me as I have in myself, right? Go on then, cheeky big slabber.

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So, what was the original title for hocus pocus going to be? Disney's hocus pocus, which is a film I know you love.

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I do love it, but I don't know what the original is.

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No.

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I put a spell on you.

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No, that would have been a good title, though.

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Yeah. Hocus pocus. I don't know. No idea.

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Halloween House.

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Rubbish hocus pocus is much better. Yeah. Yeah.

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That would not have worked at all.

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Yeah. I still don't understand why there isn't a theatrical stage version of Hocus Pocus. It may be wrong. It makes no sense.

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The song we all know and love.

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Although we've just mentioned that on the pod now, so it's bound to happen. Of course.

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Of course, either are currently in production of Hocus Pocus 3.

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Oh, happy days. I did like the second one. I would we've have we talked about it. We've talked about this in the pod. We were dubious, weren't we? And then we enjoyed it.

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And Hannah Waddingham is going to be reprising, reprising her role.

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Yeah, she was class.

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Who sang the original song? We did the mesh.

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We did the monster mesh. The monster mesh. It was a graveyard smash. Well done. No idea.

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Okay.

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No idea.

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Bobby Pickett.

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Who the heck who is Bobby Peggett?

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The original singer of the Monster Mash.

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Right.

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Okay, now you should get this. What vegetables were originally used for jack-o'-lanterns? So now people use pumpkins.

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But what were the- I was about to say pumpkins.

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That's shameful. And where you live, that is shameful. Think back to whenever you were younger.

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Where I live, that's shameful.

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What vegetable was used before?

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Turnip.

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Well done!

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I think we may be carved a turnip once upon the street. Yeah, okay.

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Where then did Halloween originate?

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Oh, it's it wasn't Salem, was it? In America.

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Oh my gosh. No. You're rubbish at Halloween.

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I told you it would be rubbish.

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You don't do Halloween.

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Amsterdam.

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Quizzes in your clock.

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Why would ya?

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Okay. Amsterdam?

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Yeah.

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Ireland, Timothy.

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It originated in Ireland?

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Yes. What?

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No. Yes. Where are you getting your sources from?

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From that's where it originated from. Halloween originated in Ireland. What's the Irish? And that's why it's turnips. Okay. Well, I'm gonna tell you. What is the Irish word for Halloween?

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Halloween.

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No, but I can see why you think that.

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No idea.

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Okay, it's called Sowent. And you spell that S-A-M-H-A-I-N.

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Yeah.

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Okay. And that m marked the end of harvest and the beginning of winter. And like old Hallows Eve, whenever like it's a little bit spookier, and the it's an old Celtic sort of tradition. But yeah, it all originated in Ireland.

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So then did Salem just like hijack the whole witch?

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Well, you think about it a lot of Irish.

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Of course they did. They emigrated to America.

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There you go.

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So the original witches were Irish?

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Yes.

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Was that why they were accused of being witches then? Because they like came into America and they were like, oh, those Irish, they're witches. Beware of them. Okay. Because that wouldn't be okay.

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You remember that Irish word, so when? And I bet you you'll see it. You'll see it's because it is advertised at the minute in our drives and our journeys. Anyway, which contemporary musical features the song? It's obviously a Halloween y one. The whole being dead thing.

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Whole being dead thing. Oh, that's M Book and Mormon. No, the whole being dead thing. Rubbish. Don't tell me. I have to get the musical theatre question right.

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The whole being dead thing. That's not even the tune, is it? The whole being dead. You're close?

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Oh, it's Beetlejace.

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Well done. Well done.

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Oh, thank goodness. I maybe answered that question far too quickly.

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No, okay. Well.

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I was thinking spooky Mormon Hall dream.

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Oh, that's what you were saying. That's what I was thinking. Here's another musical theatre quiz and the pantampulum.

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Quiz or question.

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Question, sorry. What is the wicked witch's full name in wicked?

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The wicked witch's full name in wicked. Alphabet something something throp.

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Well, I'm just gonna give you the point for alphabetrop. Well done. Thank you. Oh yay. Okay. And then what is the most is the last question? What is the most famous musical theatre dance usually danced at Halloween or really any parties?

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Oh, it's normally the time warp is.

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Well done! Oh do you know how many you got right?

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Four.

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Four?

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I was right.

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I can't believe you didn't know that Halloween was invented in Ireland. Yeah.

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Never heard that in my life.

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You've heard of like Banshees and all of those, and you know that they come from Ireland.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. That's fine. That's okay.

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Well, thank you for that.

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Tosheglista. Toshek Lister.

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What's that mean?

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I am smart.

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I'm not that smart. People have been telling me that for years.

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So there's my Halloween quiz. And this is the part where I buy out of this episode because it's too freaky and I can't carry on.

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No, I have so I have I will I am coming up with questions in my head for you.

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Don't you dare.

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Oh, I do. Listen. So you've seen the film. I've seen the musical.

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Yeah.

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Today we're gonna talk our Happy Halloween special. I meant to say our Happy Halloween Christmas special.

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What?

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Our Happy Halloween special is Carrie the Musical. On a scale of scary, like one being it was like butterflies and rainbows, and ten being literally you couldn't breathe with fright. Where where's Carrie on that list? On that scale for you.

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So I watched it during the day at a friend's house, so again, not in a very comfortable setting, you know, because I wasn't at home. So and it was during the day. I'm just sorry, during the day, shouldn't be. No, no, I was eight.

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Were you in eight? I was in eight. Okay. I mean, I saw the musical, so the scary factor wasn't like that scary. More disturbing. I was more disturbed by this than I was scared.

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Yeah, a lot that is kind of Carrie. It's more like it's you know her powers and then what she does with those powers.

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Yeah.

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It's all that like sinister, it's sinister feeling, but I still don't like it. Yeah. It's not, it's not like it's oh it's sinister, but it's really got a really happy ending.

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Yeah, no, I mean I thoroughly enjoyed my evening at the theatre, but I didn't walk away like fulfilled in in any way. I was kind of glad to be coming home for a cup of tea.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So Carrie the Musical with book by Lawrence D. Cohen and lyrics by Dean Pritchford and music by Michael Gore. It's based on Stephen King's novel and integrates elements of the 1976 film that we were just uh talking about. The musical focuses on Carrie White, an awkward teenage girl with telekinetic powers, whose lonely life is dominated by a repressive religious fanatic mother, uh Margaret. When she is humiliated by her classmates at the high school prom, she unleases chaos on everyone and everything in her path out of vengeance.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Interestingly, it was inspired by this music like to turn it into a musical was inspired by 1981 performance of Alban Berg's opera Lulu.

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Oh, okay.

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Um Lawrence D. Cohen uh went to see the opera.

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Oh, okay.

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Uh and he actually had wrote had written the the script for the 1976 film version. And he was like, that would make a really good musical. So he got Michael Gore on board and they began to work on it as a musical. Gore then brought his fame collaborator, Dean Pritchford, in to work on the project which underwent numerous rewrites. It also blows my mind that the people who wrote Fame wrote this carry the musical.

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I know.

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I'm going, okay, those are two projects that have no correlation at all.

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But what I did find really interesting was that so Dean Pitchford, as you said, and Michael Gore, they are uh writing duo. Yeah. So Pitchford did the screenplay for Fitless.

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Yeah.

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And I like it does freak me out. Whenever I was listening and like researching this musical, it really gave me an extreme version of Fitless. I felt like there was just how it sounded. How it sounded, and then I suppose the the religion aspect of it and how that is so controlling on certain characters. I was like, that's interesting that there was there's that fitless connection.

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Yeah.

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Also, Pitchford has one Oscars and Grammys as well as two Tobies. Yeah. So he's just in a wee Emmy there.

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Yeah.

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Um, and wrote some songs for the Lizzie Maguire movie. It's that's the highlight of his career.

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You honest to go, like the facts that you pull out sometimes just blow my mind.

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Aww, Lizzie Maguire.

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Here we are talking our Halloween special, talking Carrie, blood, gore, destruction, and you pull out the Lizzie McGuire. Because I need to only you could like come up with something so random in this Halloween episode.

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Because I need to find the light.

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I do see you're a wee bit jittery tonight.

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I know I don't like it. I really notice I can keep leaving my back because I'm afraid. Like, I just don't like it.

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Norm wants this to be our fastest, quickest episode ever, and I refuse. I will drag this out. Don't you dare all its way.

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Don't you dare.

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Also, really random and weird about this musical was it was produced by the Royal Shakespeare company.

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So strange. So strange. All of it's just a bit strange. Yeah. And I think we need to need to say that from the beginning. Like, this musical is odd. The creation of it was a little bit strange. Yeah. And how it is still in the musical ether is all strange. It's like this musical literally went from being Broadway's biggest flop to one of its greatest cult successes.

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I know, I know. Well, yeah, and it I mean, it it will it also highlights the power of the people, I suppose, in a way. So it it it did first have a four-week run beginning in February 1988 in Stratford upon Avon, because obviously if the Royal Shakespeare Company is producing it, that's where it had its first, you know, it grew its legs. Where it received mixed reviews now. A lot of people would have to say that a lot of the fortunes of this musical were down to the next name I'm gonna mention, which who was the director, Terry Hams. Yeah, it was choreographed by Debbie Allen, which I thought was amazing. For some I am a big fame fan. I love the fact that Debbie Allen was the original choreographer on this, and the cast also, this was the next thing that blew my mind because I don't overly rate this musical. Yeah, but yet in its origins, yeah, it had the Broadway veteran Barbara Cook involved. Yeah, it also had Charlotte de Ambos Ambos, yeah. Yeah, and a young Lindsay Hitley in her debut role as Carrie. The massive, technically complex production featured paratechnics, lasers, automatic scenery, and a gigantic white staircase which would lower from the ceiling for the final scene of the show. So, like they were going for it big time. But the production was plagued with lots of issues, script issues, technical problems. The crew were unable to douse Hitley in the fake blood without causing her microphone to malfunction. Now that's what happens. Carrie goes to prom, the horrible, her horrible classmates set her up uh to become prom queen, and then they tip pig's blood over her head.

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Yeah.

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You kind of need that to happen in the show, whether her microphone malfunctions or not. Rewrites also continued to follow each show. The program the program even cited the song Once I Loved a Boy, which had been rewritten and retitled. So people were coming to see the show, had the programme, and there was a number in the programme that had been la so last minute rewritten and renamed. It was renamed uh When There's No One. But that wasn't in the programme because yeah, like it was just and this all happened prior to the first performance. Barbara Cook resigned when she was nearly decapitated.

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Yeah, yeah. I think that that would be where I would go. Okay, let's pull the plug, let's go, let's stop. There's something, something not wanting us to carry on.

SPEAKER_01:

I think that elaborate white staircase had something to do with it. Um she did I thought this was hilarious when I read about it. She did agree to stay on until they found a replacement.

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Okay, well, that was kind of a remote.

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She actually ended up just doing the remainder of the Stratford upon Avon Run.

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Yeah.

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Because it conveniently took the production tape so long to find that replacement. But she was quite critical of the project, and she once stated, it sounded intriguing and original, but the people in charge didn't know how to do a musical from scratch. Terry Hans, she said, wasn't sure enough of himself to be ruthless, to cut the bad songs, and to demand replacements. They had no idea about what a character should sing and where.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's kind of important for a musical.

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It is. And have you seen any footage of the original?

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No thought.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, so this is a reason why Carrie has got this following, is as I mentioned before, um, it was a big cult success. It was the uh, you know, theatre lovers that then found this really pearly shot RSC version, and yes, are like, watch this, watch this, what, watch this. So you don't have TikTok, but on social media there are lots of little clips. And whenever I tell you I was not sure what I was watching, I I thought it was a fever drink. Yeah, there's people in white, like Leotards, prancing about on this, what looks like scaffolding, and then there's people who are teenagers, like dressed honestly, it is so strange. Yeah, it is so no wonder it didn't work. None of it looks right. Yeah, it looks it look doesn't look like a you know professional production.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it looks like is this the Stratford upon Avon one or when it transferred to Broadway? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

It is just mentally insane, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It did try like amazingly, yeah, it did transfer to Broadway with an expense of eight million dollars, a huge cost at that time. It the show officially opened in the Virginia Theatre on the 12th of May. However, there was nothing pretty about the murderous reviews causing financial backers to pull all the money out of the show, and unbelievably, this is insane. The show closed on the 15th of May after five performances.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, 16 previews and five regular performances. And this is what I think maybe helped it become a cult following because it was the critics that despised it, yeah, but yet positive reviews and comparisons to the Rocky Horror Picture Show came from audiences. So some audience members actually were giving up positive reviews and thinking this is really like you know, Rocky Horror.

SPEAKER_01:

But yeah, it's so not like Rocky Hor, though, it's like night like chalk and cheese.

SPEAKER_03:

I just don't know whether or not maybe people were looking for something else alongside Rocky Horror at the time.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think people will automatically go, yes, let me see it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, let me see it.

SPEAKER_01:

It yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Interesting though that obviously it didn't last very long. From that though, a book has been created, a podcast, and obviously there was the 2012 revised version, which played off Broadway, and a lot of people have praised that because the rewrites that were needed actually make it a little bit of a decent musical. But yes, the book is called So let me just find it.

SPEAKER_01:

It was written in 1991 by Ken Mandelbum, uh, which Chronicles Chronicles, yeah, sorry, the history of history of Broadway flops, yeah, and it's titled Not Since Carrie, and then um I mean it's the title of the book about Broad Like you'd be like if if this musical was a person, you'd be like, you'd be hiding behind the couch, wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_03:

I know. And then the podcast is Out for Blood, and it documents the whole creation and development. No, I didn't listen to it.

SPEAKER_01:

I was going to, and then I thought it might it might lead me too much in our discussion of the musical.

SPEAKER_03:

No, the only other big thing about it is that no, I never watched Riverdale, um, but from researching, I discovered that actually they had five full blown musical episodes. Yeah. And Carrie is one of them.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

They also did Heather.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So I was like stuck.

SPEAKER_01:

Did they do Spring Awakening as well? No.

SPEAKER_03:

Well movie they did. No, they did Archie the musical. Oh, I can't remember. But yes, that's me of me there. And that's also giving me an idea for maybe we need to do episodes on the best TV music.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. The Broadway production uh also only had three technical rehearsal three Yeah. For a massively complex and technical show. They were supposed to have longer, but shipping issues issues delayed things, and instead of pushing back the up the previews, they just abbreviated the tech.

SPEAKER_03:

Like whose idea was that? Oh my goodness. Yeah, it just seems like it's definitely not meant to be.

SPEAKER_01:

It like the show's reputation, the story behind its difficult production and its limited run, just it did create a passionate response from the fans with that, you know, with the show gaining its cult. And it it it was it's because of that that I think people still probably talk about it. Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_03:

Like I think also it was maybe just too bizarre for the 1980s. Obviously, it was 2012 where he write definitely. People uh feel like that is the version that most that you should work off, and you shouldn't work off the original. But it's just that theater nerds really preserved it and really got behind it. And you know, we've we have talked about this the more that we do the podcast. There are certain musicals which survive because of people listening.

SPEAKER_01:

I know, but you don't want to hear it. You don't want to hear booze at the curtain call.

SPEAKER_03:

No, no, no, definitely not.

SPEAKER_01:

And Ken Mendelbum, who wrote that book, he qu he was he quoted in the book describing how boo the booze were heard through the applause after the final song. And the New York Times wrote the horror element for the novel and film did not translate to a Broadway stage where the musical numbers were dubbed as bubblegum pop. But Stephen King apparently did enjoy the performance. So there you go.

SPEAKER_03:

It is very, it's obviously a high school story, you know. I understand that, but I think maybe just again, the more that we're doing the podcast and the more that we are covering high school sort of musicals, or musicals certainly that are set within that high school setting, it's got that cautionary tale, you know. Like you think of Mean Girls, it's a cautionary tale, and it's they're similar stories but different, you know.

SPEAKER_01:

Also, their sound, they have a sound, yes, and you hear the sound throughout them. Like you had said about this sounded very like Fitless, Fitless, yeah, which sounded sounds very like Mean Girls, which sounds very like Heathers, which sounds very like Fame to an extent. Do you know what I mean? They all these high school musicals, like they they have a sound, don't they? Yeah, which is quite interesting, I suppose.

SPEAKER_03:

And they all have these things of consequences of cruelty and isolation. Yeah. And that you know, I probably didn't learn anything particularly from the songs or the lyrics or anything in I would agree in Carrie, but definitely, I suppose if you're looking at the story and what what happens from the beginning to the end, how extremism, no matter what it is, yeah, doesn't work. Yeah, um, and also being cruel just for the sake of being cruel, you know, always have consequences.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Um, will we talk about a musical lyrical lingo set?

SPEAKER_03:

Let's go. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I was the same with you. It kind of just took again lyrically, there's not a huge amount, it's pretty self-explanatory, but it did it just it does remind the listener, uh, you know, and it teaches that bully and isolation. Religious abuse or or fanaticism, is that the right is there a word fanaticism can lead to tragic consequences, but also it it explores themes of identity, revenge, and the divine the desire to be seen and loved. Yeah, you know, Carrie, there's such a desire there to be loved and wanted and cared for.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I think it's that caring part. Her mum loves her in a way that is too extreme, you know, and and she feels like she's protecting her and and you know, keeping her from exploring the real world, but that's not care and that's not yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01:

It highlights that devastating impact of being an outsider and showcases the destructive nature of both the bullying and that religious fanaticism.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Is Carrie a metaphor? You know, I I kind of what thought is Carrie's telekinetic powers could that be a metaphor for that anger and psychological trauma caused by the abuse?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. I mean, it was pulling, I was clutching the straws, Lauren, but I was like, what are the lyrics? Uh what are the lyrics teaching me?

SPEAKER_03:

No, but I think I think it's definitely that's probably why even the film and the Stephen King novel obviously are beloved as well by people who like all that. But like as you said, love shouldn't should always be conditional and it shouldn't ever be out of fear. Um, and I think there's a lovely bit where you know friends are trying to help her and trying to also see, oh, or some of the the teenager going, I maybe shouldn't have done that.

SPEAKER_01:

There's one character, isn't there? Is it Sue? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And it's like it's okay to admit that you've done something wrong, um, but it's also you need to be aware that it's never too late to show kindness, but just be aware that whatever you have done, it might be too late to prevent the damage. Do you know what I mean? Where absolutely okay to go, I hold my hands up, I shouldn't have done that. But understand that actually your actions before that have hurt have hurt somebody and they need to be processed as well. Just because you've said sorry doesn't make everything all alright.

SPEAKER_00:

That's true.

SPEAKER_03:

But yeah, it's it's a weird one. I'm gonna be honest, the music I find a little bit up and down, but I don't know if it was because I was listening to it as well, going like this, I don't like this, I don't like this.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, what I would say musically, like there are some there are some songs that stay with you. Like, and they're you know, if you want a song to have to make an impact or to have an impact, I think the boys did. And I'm gonna put it out there. I would love Carrie to be given one of these up-to-date modern movie musical remakes. I would I would love to see the musical version done as a movie. Do you know what I mean? You know, the prom style, you know, like I would love to see it, because I do think it has left. Like I do think there's good like content here, and I do think some of the some of the numbers are really good. There's some that are a bit pants, yeah. But I would love to see what they do with like a movie, horror, yeah, musical movie remake.

SPEAKER_03:

And that's maybe why the Riverdale episode worked really well for Carrie because people you know really with that one. Because it was teenagers sort of in that sort of setting, doing it, scaling it back a little bit and not making it as extravagant as the theatre production tr tried tried to do.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, like you mentioned in that setting the first number's called in. Yes, and it's one of those typical musical theatre opening numbers where they introduce all of the characters and give them as a a brief like synoptic, you know, like this is this person, this is what's going on, and this is how they feel about this person.

SPEAKER_03:

Heathers and uh and I suppose if you had to like mean girls is like on the like rainbows, and even though it's not super super rainbows, but it's on the more lighter side, yeah, and then you've got heathers, which is kind of in between because you've got that comedy, but there's also death and all of that too, and then you've got carry, so you've got one extreme to the other, but they're similar, yeah, yeah, different.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, well, in it in the number in the kids chant father, mother, preacher, teacher, failure. Yeah, and the children are it it just highlights how the children are so concerned or afraid of what people think of them. Yeah, and at the same time, they're kind of shown they don't care as well. Do you know what I mean? I I thought it was quite interesting, you know, father, mother, preacher, teacher, the this their superior the superiors that they've mentioned, yeah, and the racial relationship with them feed this, and that's what brings that like kind of angsty tone to the show right from the open because there is an angsty tone. I think too much of an angsty tone in too many of the numbers for me, especially when you then get to Margaret's numbers, which are very full-on. Heavy. I also loved that they sing blah blah blah in the opening number because it just rang Spring Awakening for me, because that's what they sing in blah blah blah, and again it's that same idea of these what these young children they're like they're battling against which all teenagers are doing, blah blah you know, and they don't care, and but I was like, oh, they're singing blah blah blah. And I love spring awakening.

SPEAKER_03:

I think as well that is very of its time because I remember we spoke about it during Heathers. Heathers is very alias, and there's a lot of things there which they were able to get away with because it was set when it was set, and I feel maybe that's the same where you've got father, mother, preacher, teacher. Yeah, you know, nowadays a preacher is not going to have as much of an impact on a young person's life, yeah, unless that's you know something that they've chosen to do because not very many families are revolved around church anymore, so yeah, interesting that that kind of time locks it a little bit, I think.

SPEAKER_01:

Um the first song that had an impact on me though was And Eve Was Weak.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a weird song, but also night it we give you the heebie bees just because it introduces Margaret, yeah, and she's she's lecturing and and being very full-on with Carrie, and she sings God made Eve from the rib of Adam, and Eve was weak, and Lucid the Raven on the w world, yeah, and the raven was called Sin.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

That's right from the Bible, is that? Yeah, okay. The curse of blood. I was so confused. But the mother was actually referring to menstruation, yeah. It just was weird.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Carrie's mum believes that women menstruate because of Eve's original mistake, which is an unhealthy source of intense guilt.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

That she's trying to pass on to Carrie. It just was like a total mind.

SPEAKER_03:

And and that that is true. That is that is what what women are are told, isn't it? Uh women are told that that is because Eve Eve has sinned, and that is the reason why you have to suffer so many. Oh my goodness, who would they live live the life of a woman? Um 100%.

SPEAKER_01:

You're kidding me.

SPEAKER_03:

What? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You're told that as a woman.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, like certainly it is not the story that I would ever pass on to my own.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I'm sorry. Who is given who is telling that as a reason to young girls?

SPEAKER_03:

That is a as is a story that definitely certain certain members of communities would be telling.

SPEAKER_01:

Still to this day, Lauren.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and the only reason that you do that is because of what Eve did, and that is your punishment.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a punishment?

SPEAKER_03:

Uh-huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, I know I can't.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it's so this is why all these important conversations we need to have with girls all around.

SPEAKER_01:

And don't be having don't be saying that.

SPEAKER_03:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

Let's move on.

SPEAKER_03:

Let's move on.

SPEAKER_01:

The world according to Chris.

SPEAKER_03:

My favorite song.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, but honestly, see when you've listened to it and you're like still humming it, like three days later.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Not my favorite song.

SPEAKER_03:

No, no, but there is the only song where I was like, okay, I like this song. It's a beat, it's upbeat. I like this song. And also I think I like it as well because it's one of those tingish songs where you're like, she's so horrible.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, but it's also not a good idea. Can we discuss? She sings better to strike than be struck, better to screw than be screwed, better to punch than be punished, better to burn than get burned.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And is this good life life lessons here, people?

SPEAKER_03:

No, but I also think that that's really telling them if she says that it's her dad that teaches her this. And I don't think we ever at any point hear about her mum or you know, so she's being raised, you know, with one viewpoint. Yeah. And I think that this is a big, a big telling point of Carrie is that you need to have lots of different influences in your life to become a well-rounded person. I'm not saying you have to have a mum and a dad, or you have to have like well one, you know, you can't just have one parent, but you have to have you have to listen to your teachers, you have to listen to your peers, you have to listen and go and find the world for yourself, yeah, and not just listen to what one person tells you all the time.

SPEAKER_01:

To be honest, it's not shining a good light on the parents in the situation compared to you know, you know, Chris's dad and Carrie's mum.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, doesn't look good for the parents.

SPEAKER_03:

No, but I do I do like I think that Chris would be a really fun character for a teenage girl to sort of play.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, fair enough, yeah. I'm still the curse of blood is still playing in my my flipping head. I can't believe that is actually dialogue that happens. Yeah. Um, one of the songs, and it happens ju so at the prom, it's concocted that Carrie wins Prom Queen with Sue's boyfriend, who she's asked him to do her a favour and go to prom with Carrie because she knew it would make Carrie like feel really good. They then have this song. I think it's it I think it happens just after they've been announced before the pig's blood and the destruction that that follows. It's called Alma Matter.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

So they sing Hail Alma Matter, oh mother, we salute you, we proclaim our devotion. We've had Alma Matter. I think so. Was it Legally Blonde? We had Alma Matter.

SPEAKER_03:

I think so.

SPEAKER_01:

It's basically a university school or college that one formerly attended. It's a very American thing, I presume, is it? Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's that's all that I kind of lifted from it.

SPEAKER_03:

It was those lessons of like you have to be understanding, and like teenage life is hard, like life is hard, yeah. Do you know? But yeah, just be kind to people, like, because there can be consequences whenever you're not, and there's massive consequences to everybody in that gym.

SPEAKER_01:

No, massively, but do you know like what a spectacle that could be if it's done really well?

SPEAKER_03:

And I did watch again, it was on TikTok. I watched uh really, really recent just that it's called the destruction, that last thing, isn't it? Destruction, and it was just a local high school in America doing it, and it was brilliant. Yeah, it was because and somebody gone, Oh my goodness, this is what Bro Bike should have done. Like this is because it was just really clean and it was just a matter of like lightning here and then the kids falling, and then something happening over there, and then falling and just seeing Sue, like looking through it, just visually it was great, and it was kind of scaled back, but also big and in your face too. I know that's contest, but so I do think there's probably potential. Interesting thing though, it was West, it wasn't West End Live, but what was it? It was like West E Comic-Con at the weekend. Yeah, somebody came out and sang carry.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, is it gonna happen?

SPEAKER_03:

Which hasn't been sung or done in well, 2012, really, but there's nothing being on the case.

SPEAKER_01:

Do you know what do you know what someone should do? What a bit like Sweeney Todd in the pie shop. Do your carry in a gym hall.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Like with them on the bleachers either side and just do it all in there, like and it the gym hall could be like destroyed, like it is like at the end and like kind of go from there.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, you've said it now, so it'll be announced on the touch tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01:

I do I would love to s like I would like to see it now.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Do you know what I mean? Given a fret. But why is it not touched? Because I think there is something there. Like I don't think the material is so atrocious that it's it's not self salvageable or you have to rewrite the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03:

No, and it's definitely done at like end of you know, the three years from drama schools do it and musical theatre schools do it. No, it's it's done in in high school.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, it is, yeah. And amateur, you know, like amateur high schools, theatre groups, like I think it is quite popular amongst that. Yeah. I mean, the production I saw was was a youth project and it was done brilliantly. Do you know what I mean? But I would love to see like big money because you have to throw it in. Like you'd have to throw in the money to get that destruction. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03:

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01:

I want things I like want like debris and like, you know, like confetti and like all like the prom decorations like blown out into the state.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm gonna send you that one that I seen because I think that you'll appreciate how it's done and then go, actually, that is pretty good. Yeah. But we we've had this conversation before maybe there's some musicals which are just okay to live in the world, and maybe Carrie is just one of them.

SPEAKER_01:

No, but I want to see a professional. I want to see what is done with money.

SPEAKER_03:

No, I just don't think I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I won't be and no, obviously, I won't be inviting you. Like, do you have any standovations?

SPEAKER_03:

The world according to Chris. I do really like it.

SPEAKER_01:

I do think the very end is good. I think it goes prom climax, so that's when she's crowned, then it goes into that alma mater, which is like almost like school choir vibes, and then into the destruction where all hell breaks loose. Um I also do like Dreamers in Disguise. I think that's a genuinely quite lovely love song. Um the mother's songs, although they might make you feel uncomfortable, I genuinely think they're quite good. They they get that character across and the fact that she is like proper scaresville. So the mother has an Eve's week, and I remember how those boys could dance. Yeah, her backstory is interesting, I suppose, as well, but she just would scare the potatoes out of me.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and I think that part is that extreme bit as well, is like also not as far in footless, but I think that's where I was getting the similarities. But also if you think back to like colour purple, yeah, do you know those sort of like extreme moments of like I think well it's a bass, you know, it is like what's happening during one of those songs. So I think yeah, that they're they're powerful songs, and if I suppose if they're put in the right hands, they they would make you feel uneasy and uncomfortable, and they would be a stunning performance to watch. But yeah, I think you're right, there's just maybe something there that isn't quite molded together.

SPEAKER_01:

More scary or less scary than Swingy Todd for you?

SPEAKER_03:

I'm gonna say less scary.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Because it's not scary, it's just uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01:

Scary carry?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Watch I don't know if I've asked you this before. We've mentioned it on the podcast. What Halloween movie would you give the musical treatment to that isn't already well? Yeah, we that's off the because I think we talked about it maybe in last year's Halloween episode, and that's the one that we said.

SPEAKER_03:

And it's so strange because like American Psycho has a musical.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, well that that's for a future Halloween Halloween. Um so uh because it just did it recently have a Broadway revival American Psycho or was it London American Psycho?

SPEAKER_03:

London, I think it was.

SPEAKER_01:

I can't remember if it was London or Broadway.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, I don't really watch scary movies.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So I just don't know what scary people are into.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, scary. I think there's potential for scream the musical. See, I was gonna say that, but then I was like, there's like seven screens, so like I think you could do a really good musical theatre uh number of like everybody just in a screen mask, like a stage full of the screen masks, like doing a taprouting.

SPEAKER_03:

But then that to me that's funny.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, but that's maybe what we need to do. Like take all these scary movies and just give it to like funny musical theatre treatment.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh no. I think it would need to be more like a like a psych psychological one.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Like Saw.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, oh yes, maybe something saw the musical. Oh my gosh, even that. Like, no.

SPEAKER_01:

I did watch an episode of like one of the Saws and went, I will never watch the rest of the 2400 versions of Delar. No, disgusting.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, how I I know what you did last summer. Like, could you do that?

SPEAKER_02:

I've never seen that.

SPEAKER_03:

So that they kill kill a man and then a year later he comes back and kills them off, but like one by one.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh lordy days.

SPEAKER_03:

And there's like a new one out this year where the original characters are like parents of I don't know, I don't watch scary movies. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01:

You let us know, listeners, what what let somebody know because I'll be because obviously our back cut back catalogue of scary movies isn't that vast, is it?

SPEAKER_04:

No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe our listeners will be much more yeah, they might be more knowledgeable in the the realms of thriller and horror movies, and they can tell us a bit better suggestions.

SPEAKER_03:

Why don't we just turn like Sabrina the teenage witch into a musical?

SPEAKER_01:

For goodness sake, it's not horror.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, they made a scary version of it.

SPEAKER_01:

Was it scary?

SPEAKER_03:

On Netflix.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I couldn't watch it. But Lauren, you're not a good person to like engage all of these things on.

SPEAKER_03:

I know.

SPEAKER_01:

A bit like me, like don't ask me.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, no, I know I'm sticking with that. I think Sabrina the Teenage Witch, the musical.

SPEAKER_01:

So that's your answer. That's my answer. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_03:

What about you? You're going with the Sunday. I said scream, yeah. You're going with the screen.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, there we go. You've got through it for another year. Thanks. We will come back for round number three and we'll find out what the third. I know what the third one is. And it's a show I've done.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah, but we we can't do it anytime soon because now we're approaching like Christmas season, so we can't do anything that makes me feel uncomfortable between nine.

SPEAKER_01:

But we've kind of, have we not like we've now done like most of if not all of the Christmas musicals, so why not just substitute our Christmas?

SPEAKER_03:

There's no way we're doing that. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Okay. I've kept you long enough. I have to go and like watch your Christmas movie, you weirdo.

unknown:

Come, come.

SPEAKER_01:

Come back and come back next week for something less scary.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, we'll chill.

SPEAKER_01:

But another musical The Power of the Fan base.

SPEAKER_03:

I know, I know. I'm actually really excited to talk about it because they're interested in some connections as well.

SPEAKER_01:

And I we don't plan.

SPEAKER_03:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

Like literally, we pick these musicals out of thin air randomly. I couldn't believe it. I was gobsmacked.

SPEAKER_03:

I know.

SPEAKER_01:

They have listeners have no idea what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, come back next week and you will. You will. Thank you for listening. Go enjoy your Halloween.

SPEAKER_01:

Bye. Give us your scary laugh. Go.

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