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Ruthless Cake. More musical discoveries.
What if the world of musical theatre could be more thrilling and diverse than you ever imagined? Join us, Tim and LJ, as we promise to take you on a captivating journey through the hidden gems of the musical theatre world. Our latest escapade shines a spotlight not one but two musicals.
First up is "Cake: The Marie Antoinette Playlist," a dynamic retelling of a historical tale with a modern pop twist. With a score that channels the essence of Madonna and the energy of TikTok, this production is bound to change your perception of what musicals can be.
Then "Ruthless" an all-female musical that spoofs some firm favourite musicals.
Throughout our lively conversation, we celebrate the creativity and talent of both these musicals. We aren't just here to chat about big names; we're all about championing the lesser-known stages beyond the West End and Broadway, highlighting the dedicated performers who bring these vibrant stories to life.
Our selection process is filled with laughter and surprises.
Whether you're a seasoned theatre enthusiast or a curious newcomer, prepare to be inspired by the world of musical comedy gems and the delightful chaos that accompanies their discovery.
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Hello and welcome to Musical Lyrical Lingo. We're your hosts, Tim and LJ.
Speaker 2:Today and every week we will be discussing musicals, but specifically what they taught us.
Speaker 1:And this week we're talking about lots New musical. Well, a new musical and an old musical.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a new discovery of musicals.
Speaker 1:New discovery of musicals.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going off road yeah, it's it.
Speaker 2:I love this challenge. I think that we should do it every at the beginning of the season, at the end of the.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're a gag. You're just saying that because I mucked up no because I was like I think we should do that again. You know, we haven't done it since season one. And then norm was like we did it at the beginning of season two and I'm going oh, did we? I'm not, but like, how many episodes do we do in season, in a season that seems like so long ago? I mean, that was in a different house and everything I know.
Speaker 2:But I think, because we have done so much in season two, like we've had loads of guests, we've done specials yeah, I think in the flow, you know, we're in the flow, we're in the flow I think this bit or this type of episode excites us yeah, even more, doesn't it?
Speaker 1:we love experiencing you. Like I, I love listening to brand new cast recordings yeah I've been listening to a few recently, some good, some indifferent.
Speaker 2:Some not so good, yeah, but we're not here to talk about them today. No, no, and let's not, because we'll so will we just get cracked in?
Speaker 1:Let's get cracked in, because the last time we did this we came across an absolute Joy, joy. In Millennials Are Killing Musicals. Yeah, joy, joy. That in millennials are killing musicals, yeah amazing will we come across.
Speaker 2:Let's hope and not like another, another one fan favorite yeah so for those that are maybe new to the podcast or maybe only discovering us. So sometimes we set each other challenges where we give each other um a number of musicals that we assume the other person maybe doesn't know a huge amount about.
Speaker 2:We do this twice a season yeah, we do this twice a season and we um we then just here you go, here's five musicals and what you need to do is go and listen to them all once, and then if there's one that you have a uh like a connection with or something, then that's the one that you decide to talk about. Yeah, so we, we do share before we come to record which musical it is, just so we have a bit of an understanding just to make sure we've heard the other ones.
Speaker 2:The other person's choice so we did see you at the weekend. I was like, what musical I'm not telling you?
Speaker 1:I know you need to I forgot that part of the, the agreement. I was like, oh yeah, she needs to know.
Speaker 2:So she can listen. Yeah, yeah, um, I forgot. So I said yeah, um, you, you were very on the ball. It's almost as if you had been thinking about this for a while. I Well.
Speaker 1:I think no, do you know what it was. I had gone through a period of having listened to quite a lot of unknown musical cast recordings, so for me I had a few that I was like that would be a good one for the next you know, the next challenge episode. So I had a couple and I just sent them to you whilst I had a minute, like in my life it's so busy it's so busy that I had a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1:I was like I'm just going to send them through to kick start, yeah, the process so shall we start.
Speaker 2:Shall shall I say what you sent me, or?
Speaker 1:shall we say what we said each other? Who's going first, you or me, with your choice?
Speaker 2:Well, I'll go first, seeing as you sent me the things first.
Speaker 1:Seeing I was more on the ball. You were more on the ball. That's fine by me.
Speaker 2:So the messages that I got were and we mentioned in the last episode.
Speaker 1:I think I played an absolute blinder with the choices. I gave you, tim, with the choices.
Speaker 2:I gave you Tim. These choices were better than mine, apparently, Of course Don't.
Speaker 1:Apparently, Of course they were. All of our listeners are going to go and listen to all of these musicals and they're going to agree.
Speaker 2:Okay, so Continue, yes, and please do go, but I'm hoping that at some point in the future we'll talk about at least some of these musicals too.
Speaker 1:I think there's a few on both of our lists that definitely have a future. Yeah, and it'll be interesting to see what comes of some of them. Yes, like for sure, and one of the reasons we do this episode is to encourage you guys to go and listen to you know, new musicals or musicals that you haven't heard of before, because that keeps musical theatre alive. Yeah, and we're on a two-person mission to keep musicals alive, yeah, and educate, and we want to win the bloody podcast award.
Speaker 2:That's it. That's it. So there's a process with everything.
Speaker 1:Oh, especially when we're working with Lauren. There's a process.
Speaker 2:But so Cake the Marie Antoinette playlist. Then we had the Great British Bake Off musical original London.
Speaker 1:Do you watch the Bake Off?
Speaker 2:I do, yeah, though I haven't this year. That's great. I haven't recorded Becoming Nancy. Then we had 42 Balloons.
Speaker 1:Which had previously been mentioned on this episode, when we talked to Francis.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Because he was excited for that one.
Speaker 2:And then Zoological Society. So I'm going to go through them. So the one I chose was Cake.
Speaker 1:Oh, I was going to do it on roll, but it's okay, sorry.
Speaker 2:Was Cake Okay. The Marie Antoinette musical I did listen to them in order that you sent them.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Which was strange, but so I listened to that first.
Speaker 1:What was the first one I sent you?
Speaker 2:Cake.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So Cake was the very first one I listened to.
Speaker 1:Oh, you listened to it first, and then you returned to it right at the very end.
Speaker 2:So then I was like I'm going to Obviously listen to them all. I thought Great British Bake Off was really warm and cutesy and I loved it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I did think it was great and I 100% seen it in the local Amdram scene.
Speaker 1:I was like that needs to be snapped up.
Speaker 2:Somebody needs to do that quick. I fell in love with Becoming Nancy and I did not choose it as my number one. Yeah, because I think it needs to go and have a wee bit of work and I think it will come back bigger and stronger.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So I almost didn't want to do it. Yeah, because I have a feeling we will be doing it at some point.
Speaker 1:Because it has just opened. Has it opened and just closed on Broadway? Uh-huh. The reason I put that into my list is because Jerry Mitchell, who's one of my favorite choreographers, stroke directors was involved in that project and I was like, oh, that's Jerry's new one, we'll put that in See what she thinks. Loved it Interesting Jerry's new one. We'll put that in See what she thinks.
Speaker 2:Loved it. Interesting, really, really loved that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And loved Joseph Peacock's voice Stunning 42 Balloons I had I'd listened to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Before. Whenever Francis mentioned it, I was in the process of listening to it so I was like, okay, I know a bit about that yeah I didn't want to do it. I kind of did want to come to something that I'd never listened to before.
Speaker 1:I think that it'll be interesting to see what happens to that over the next year or two yeah, again, I think it needs things have happened and I think it'll only. I think it'll move forward like I don't see that being the end of its journey and then zoological society.
Speaker 2:I first of all started to listen to it and I was like what?
Speaker 1:I know is this why did he send me this?
Speaker 2:and then, all of a sudden, there were swear words and it was. I was like, oh my goodness, it's hilarious absolutely hilarious right hilarious so do you know what vibes it gave me? What I was about to say has aaron heard it yet?
Speaker 1:hasn't heard it give it a listen. It's so funny I think it is one.
Speaker 2:The next time we're on a long car journey, I'm gonna be like listen to this um because I did the same.
Speaker 1:The first track I went what on earth is this? And like it's got quite big names linked to it. Like lissy jones is on the tracks, jason manford although I him in musical theater upsets me. You know there's a few, there's a few names. I'm like well, what have they signed up to?
Speaker 2:did they?
Speaker 1:realize what they were signing up to.
Speaker 2:And then you hear it and you go okay, yeah, this is funny it was a nice surprise, but and I'm going to be honest I first listened to Cake and I didn't love it. Okay, but there was something about it that made me want to listen to it again. So I was like I'm going to give it one more go.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:And on the second I was hooked.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think the first time I was distracted I wasn't paying attention. Yeah, and I think that first time I was distracted I wasn't paying attention and I think that that made a big difference and I kind of had stayed away from the social media around it yeah, yeah. So I was aware of it. It was kind of like in my what's that word? Peripheral.
Speaker 1:Peripheral. Peripheral, that word.
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 1:Peripheral, peripheral.
Speaker 2:But I think it's great.
Speaker 1:I do think it's another one that we will hear again in a couple of years time so on Saturday, when I forgot that we needed to tell each other, and when you told me, I was like that's the choice, like deep, deep, deep down, I was hoping that's the one that you would choose yeah, okay because I think, of all of them, I think that's the one for me that is most exciting as to what's going to happen right, and that the, the cast recording, is like hot off the press.
Speaker 1:Like that was only released a couple, like a month ago maybe. Yeah, um, and I think obviously you'll have more background, won't you? But, like, I think there was workshopping of it and then they went away and they made changes and then they've returned to it and they've now done a cast recording and I think there is plans going forward hopefully yeah I did listen to a pot another podcast where uh zz strellen, who is marie antoinette, was interviewed and she's in the process of stuff. Yeah, which is cake related, so there's.
Speaker 2:If you are going to listen to cake, there are two album covers. There's one where, um, it is like marine space yeah and then there's another which is a black and pink sort of background black background, pink writing that is the one that is the the recent one yes, yeah uh most up-to-date one and the one I sent you yes, and that is the one that I have been listening.
Speaker 2:I did listen to one or two of the other. There's not a huge difference, but, um, yeah, so just in case anybody wants to it was giving me musically six vibes okay, so well, saying that, musically, the influences on my listen.
Speaker 2:I got folk like madonna's folk. I then got I really, really felt kylie and a stock Aitken or Aitken Waterman vibe from some of the songs. Six Kylie, I've said Dua Lipa and I really felt some of the songs were just like TikTok. So you're not a TikTok. No Participant. So there's loads of songs which just appear on tiktok and then they kind of get like stuck in your head, people are doing dances to them, whatever.
Speaker 2:So definitely like filthy rich yeah um, would be one that I'm like, that that would just be a song that yeah people are doing stuff to um and there's a little hamilton-esque to it with some of the the rapping and history, and then very six, obviously because of um again history, females yeah, you know but yeah, I I definitely give it more than one listen to.
Speaker 1:I think that would be my advice um I thought the tongue and cheek vibe to it was very six. You know the way that kind of like, you know the witty, clever lyrics, I thought, oh, that's quite six. I was listening to it on the way here because, as you said, the more you listen to it, the more I think you get hooked.
Speaker 2:I find it very funny so tell us all about it. So Cake the Musical. It's a Bill Kenwright production. Oh, I didn't realise it is described as a multi-genre pop score. That is Sorry. There's a multi-genre pop score that is used in this and it is described as a musical slash gig, slash ballet.
Speaker 1:Oh, slash ballet, yeah, interesting, okay, so so cake.
Speaker 2:Full title the marie. Is it marie or marie? Marie marie okay, the marie antoinette playlist retells the story that sparked a revolution, starring um cz strallon and renee lamb, whose voice is amazing, and she was the original Catherine of Aragon in six.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So also Millie O'Connell, who was the original.
Speaker 1:Sorry, not sorry. Yeah yeah, anne Boleyn.
Speaker 2:Anne Boleyn Two so there is Okay, yeah, so six people there, commissioned by Paul Taylor Mills. Yep, who did Heather In the Heights and my Sons Are Queer. Yeah, um, music and lyrics by Jack McManus and an up and coming. Um, she's on one of those one to watch, but like Nico is in Broadway um Tasha Taylor Johnston.
Speaker 1:I thought the lyrics are super, super clever they are your fave.
Speaker 2:Drew McInghney yes, in the original staging and choreography yeah. Book by Morgan Lloyd Malcolm and Tasha Taylor Johnston yeah. So real vibrant crew who kind of want to do something a little bit different so the staging was also different. It was a real interactive performance, started in 2022, 2023, went on a k tour and then it came to the other palace. It was meant to run from september until the 10th of november and it lasted a week, like what is going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wonder why that was. Do we know? Did you remember we had a conversation, a couple?
Speaker 2:of weeks ago about this is happening in broadway. Things are opening and closing, opening closes, not opening at all. There's a problem, and this is the first thing that we've seen in the West End especially for something new that is just like. That is a bit wild that it was meant to be on for at least three months.
Speaker 2:And it just so, whether or not they said it just wasn't viable, they couldn't like literally, couldn't like literally, couldn't pay right, but yet people that you know just sharing on social media that they went to see it were like it was full yeah so it's just just strange, and the tour was successful in my dream world.
Speaker 2:Now that we've seen what happened with Nico and stuff like I would love any of those people that you have mentioned to end up on our podcast next, next season could you imagine if I said all of them would be like super, super interesting to talk to, like the other palace based on the true story of Marie and her scandal, filled reign the musical centres on a crime that helped spark a revolution when con artist Jean de Valois Saint-Rémy implicated Queen Marie in a plot to defraud the Crown Jewelers. I did not know any of this, so I learned loads.
Speaker 1:Good, well, I mean, I didn't know anything either, but it's history. Why would I?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no. So I want to go back, sorry, to the reviews, the reviews of everything. A lot of people were saying it's a work in progress, in progress, plenty of potential, just not there yet yeah so maybe they all took that on board and then have gone.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's not there yet, but the staging was like there was a like a circle, a lot of the action was done on like this pedestal and then brought forward and people interacted with it and there was like encouragement of the audience and everything. So I think that we're trying something different. I have also written down can we get better at celebrating theatre, like why are we, why are you only successful if you are on Broadway or West End? The amount of work that musical theatre performers are putting into every single performance, day in and day out, let's just celebrate it. Let's celebrate if you're off off Broadway.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If you're on a UK tour, if you're on a national tour, a Belfast tour, In my opinion, theatre's theatre, regardless of where it is or what scale it is. It feels like there's a real hierarchy, doesn't there, I suppose? Like everybody, the dream is to be West End, the dream is to be Broadway, but let's not poo poo people who can only get on for a week you know, especially with new work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's something that should be celebrated and should there not be just more job security where something has to run for at least six months?
Speaker 1:can there not? Just be a six month contract you just wonder is there, is there not more support that can be given to people who are trying new things?
Speaker 2:but then look what happened last night what happened last night tammy faye was pulled that's right.
Speaker 1:It's closed, isn't it? Performances really five there's something weird going on on broadway at the moment, though, isn't there, because sure there's. There was, um, my son's a queer, but what can you do? Like it was. They were over in in broadway ready to go and then, all of a sudden, the arse fell out of it and it's never happened Back to the future, leave him. Yeah, I know it's very bizarre what's going on in America at the moment.
Speaker 2:I just think ticket prices are In theatre world we're not even going there with the rest. I just think ticket prices are so, so expensive. Anyway, so one of my first musical lyrical ingos, who was Marie, who was Marie? Who was Marie Antoinette?
Speaker 1:She sounded fabulous, I have to say, in this cast recording anyway.
Speaker 2:A real name was Maria Antonia Josefa Johanna. She was born the 2nd of November 1755 and she sadly died on the 16th of 10th 1793. She was only 38. Yeah, I know the two of you. The last queen of France prior to the French Revolution.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:She was the wife of Louis XVI and she was 14 and he was 15 when they got married. It took them seven years to consummate their marriage, so while she was queen, she was.
Speaker 1:It's an important fact you needed to include there.
Speaker 2:No, but people are saying like that is very odd, yeah. So I'm just saying, that is very odd yeah. So I'm just including it.
Speaker 1:She was more interested in eating cake.
Speaker 2:Oh Okay. While she was Queen, she was under much criticism. They felt that she was too sympathetic towards Austria and too promiscuous. And apparently she had illegitimate children as well as Louis.
Speaker 1:They were both at it, just not with each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was falsely accused of defrauding the Crown's jewels in a scandal known as Affair of the Diamond Necklace. The country's financial crisis was blamed on her lavish spending and this is where the rumour of Let them Eat Cake came from. But EP will remind, remind me or shout at me. It is badly rumoured that she said that she did not indeed say let them eat cake.
Speaker 1:And here they are. They've written a musical about it.
Speaker 2:It was apparently just journalism as a way to bring down the aristocracy. Propaganda, propaganda. When the French abolished their monarch in 1792, louis was then executed by guillotine. I haven't said that, right, sure I haven't Guillotine? Guillotine, guillotine and MA, as I'm calling her now, began trial two days later for this affair of the diamond necklace, and she was then later executed, as I said, in 1793.
Speaker 2:At the Palace de la Did she get the guillotine, too, at the Palace de la Revolution. And if you watched that dreadful, if you watched that opening ceremony for the Olympicsics, didn't know? Um, there was a whole dedication about right, okay, the heads there, so anyway. So yeah, the affair of the diamond the heads still there no, that that was their, their tribute oh, right, okay got you to their past or whatever?
Speaker 2:um, the affair of the diamond necklace was from 1784 to 1785. So, ma Marie Antoinette, she was not loved by her subjects, and there was fire then to this false accusation that she had participated in a crime to defraud the crown jewelers by acquiring a very expensive diamond necklace and then refusing to pay. So in fact this was um. Her signature was actually forged by jean de la voye saint-oremmy.
Speaker 1:Um, he was then later convicted after the queen okay, and is that that's the character that's played by renny lamb?
Speaker 2:yes, okay, that is indeed, and she, yes she, so she befriended yes, so I, so I'm going to like this.
Speaker 1:So I learned all about Same learning more already. I love this podcast All about this.
Speaker 2:This necklace in today's world would be worth 13 million, 13 million pounds, holy moly so. But this necklace wasn't just for these monarchs. This necklace was actually meant to be a gift to Louis XV's mistress, but he died. And then I think of smallpox he died of. And then Louis XVI offered it to Marie Antoinette, but she hated his mistress, the previous Louis's mistress, so she actually banished her from court, and then she said no, I don't want that necklace, I don't want anything to do with it. So this is what I've written. So then this trickster, big gene, as I'm calling her now, planned to use the necklace to gain wealth and power. She, in fact, was a mistress for the cardinal Rohan, who was trying to regain the Queen's favour, queen Marie Antoinette. He had said some negative things about her in court and she no longer wanted to be his friend.
Speaker 1:I don't want to be your friend anymore.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be your friend.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I should have said it in a French accent. I do not want to be your friend anymore.
Speaker 2:That actually really disturbed him because he, being a Cardinal, he actually wanted to. Louis XVI was quite a religious man and he often relied on ministers and priests to help make his decisions. And this cardinal wanted to be in that inner circle because he had offended the queen. He was never going to get into that inner circle.
Speaker 1:We all like to be in that inner circle. Because he had offended the Queen, he was never going to get into that inner circle. We all like to be in the inner circle, so our trickster Big Jean.
Speaker 2:She decided to convince him to write letters to Marie.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But she was the one on the receiving end. He thought he was writing to the Queen. He wasn't. She was a wee trickster wasn.
Speaker 1:He wasn't. She was a wee trickster.
Speaker 2:She was a wee trickster, um, and whenever he felt like the letters were getting laughing at me, and whenever he felt the letters were getting more, uh, warm she he said well, could you, um, ask me to get away, arrangement, you are laughing at me, why are you laughing?
Speaker 1:at me Absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2:Okay, could I arrange to meet the Queen? So he asked Big Gene to arrange a meeting with MA in the Palace of Versailles.
Speaker 1:Palace of Versailles.
Speaker 2:But he ended up meeting a prostitute that Big Gene had fooled the cardinal with, who looked just slightly like Marie Antoinette. No, a man was a fool. He didn't even realize he wasn't actually meeting the queen.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:After this encounter. Then she said or at this encounter the prostitute said I have forgiven you, we are friends now, but what would make us really friendly if you buy me that necklace that was made? So then he then went to and because this was all in letters, this was like evidence that the Queen had actually said it. He then went and negotiated installments to the, the jewellers, and then Big gene and an accomplice got the necklace and sold it in parts. Um, and then she had the letters and that's how she was able to fake the signature and that's how the queen so pervy.
Speaker 1:Um yeah, she was like got her head chopped off for no reason, absolutely no reason. It was all big gene's fault, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:How dare she His fault?
Speaker 1:Oh well, but she was also a wee minx. Like setting the queen up like.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, like 100% the cardinal, yeah, Cardinal Rohan, yeah.
Speaker 1:Rohan, he likes to be on the inner circle.
Speaker 2:So the musical? Because it is so new, the cast recording, it's really hard to get the actual lyrics. Huh yeah, it is so yeah I can't say if there was anything in the lyrics that I learned from it, because, with me being hard of hearing, I sometimes hear words wrong, so I need to read and the lyrics.
Speaker 1:Actually it's where they, it is where they like so that is the.
Speaker 2:The learning that I did was mainly from from the history. Yeah, I really loved the um the different styles of the music I felt overall than what the musical was teaching you.
Speaker 1:Like the song champagne dreams which is like, it's like a ballad, it's the ballad song that um marie sings and or mary sings, or whatever her name is um.
Speaker 2:So it sort of explores her like complexities and like the fact that she was thrust into power, but again being a woman and being a woman in that time she had no say in anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So she was oh, I don't hate that, but she was a queen, but with limitations. Yeah, and I like that. Drew did say I watched some behind the scenes that this is you're not coming to watch this for a history lesson, you're coming just to have like a more humanized version of the story.
Speaker 1:Very good, so don't come and watch it.
Speaker 2:and don't come and watch it as I know come and watch it for a history lesson right it also warns you of the dangers of um living in excess and privilege and being too lavish, because then people can turn on you, and the musical underscores the importance of understanding and connecting with others, particularly those less fortunate. Yeah, so it's important to to do that. One of the songs I've already said I love filthy, rich and then sugar rush um louie sings um. It is said that the both of them had a? Um sweet tooth and that's where they were eating all the cakes and the macarons and the sweets and everything, and the people of France were not able to eat anything.
Speaker 2:It is said that she brought her chocolate. What do you call that chocolate maker from Austria? There we go from Austria to Paris, and that's where the introduction of chocolate with orange blossom or chocolate with sweet almonds became popular in Paris.
Speaker 2:Louis XV was also really into his sugar and his hot chocolate and it was said that he used to drink it in the Palace of Versailles, which is Louis XVI's grandfather, the one who made the necklace for his mistress. Anyway, louis XV's hot chocolate recipe is equal bar of chocolate and water. So whatever amount of chocolate you put in, put water in, boil that on a low heat, then add an egg yolk and that's to do four people. Stir over a low heat and make that the day before and then serve it. So if anybody wants, to try, apparently it is the best hot chocolate.
Speaker 2:I mean if they were making it in the 1700s and people are still drinking it now.
Speaker 1:It must be good must be good, fair, fair taste to them.
Speaker 2:There we go. It doesn't seem like there was a lot, but I did feel like I learned a lot.
Speaker 1:Oh no, there was a lot there. There was a lot of history there, A lot of history.
Speaker 2:I thought that literally she just said let them eat cake, and they all just went.
Speaker 1:And they ate cake. Executed her and that was it, and then chopped her yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize there was this scandal about the necklace, the necklace.
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, I mean I think they're on to a winner, having ZZ Stalin at the head of that project.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Lam's voice is beautiful. Yeah, a really powerful, and the two of them together are fantastic.
Speaker 1:The numbers that they do back and forward are brilliant.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Absolutely brilliant. And I thought the guy I've forgotten his name numbers that they do. Yeah, back and forward are brilliant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely brilliant. Um, and I thought the guy, I've forgotten his name cardinal um, it's, it's brilliant, a very important person yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:It's the right level of camp.
Speaker 2:Yeah, isn't it yeah, and whenever louis, just before his head is being chopped off and he thinks that he's talking to god and they're like no, you're just about to get your head chopped. There's enough tongue and cheek and stuff into it well, this is what I I liked about it.
Speaker 1:I love the, the humor, um, and I I love the voices and this, this, the styles of music, as you said, like, really like I totally hear the kylie and then, but then you've got like brilliant ballads, like Champagne Dreams, and I'm going, oh, like it just seems to have everything and that's why I got lovely six vibes from it, because obviously that tongue in cheek, the humour, but then if you think of each of the Queen's songs, they're so different from each other but then they all work together in that one big. And I kind of feel the same about this and I don't know, every so often you hear like a cast recording which you haven't seen the show and you can visualize it like I could totally visualize how cool it would it could be.
Speaker 2:The only thing that I can think of is does six work better? Because it is just six people on the band, on stage. This has more of a company, and is it too busy Too?
Speaker 1:many.
Speaker 2:You know, do you maybe need it to only have six?
Speaker 1:people.
Speaker 2:You know, you've got the Cardinal, the Marie.
Speaker 1:Jean, just streamline it a bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the part Millie plays. I can't remember the name there, but you know there's only a few characters rather than dancers as well. You know maybe that. Yeah, it does need to be more, especially if they're wanting that audience participation.
Speaker 1:That's quite interesting you mention that, because actually the musical I ended up going with is like a six-hander.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's cool.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that is me so keep watching, then, or keep listening.
Speaker 1:Keep listening and then watch this space for what comes of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think it would do really well on tour.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does have legs, so doesn't it, as a new, as a new works? Yeah, like it's good.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it would sit just being in town, I think it would be a better, but somewhere like the Arts Theatre, where Six started like it couldn't not do a run in there, like and see what happens.
Speaker 2:Maybe, maybe.
Speaker 1:Who knows?
Speaker 2:But that's really what the other palaces sort of turned out to be like more now. And if it didn't work there, you know, paul Taylor Mills is the boss there isn't he, you know, and anything he does is is good, you know.
Speaker 1:So if he's got his backing behind it like, okay, just I, I would like to see it come to fruition you know what I mean. I think it deserves it yeah, and I think there seems to be a buzz around it at the moment, and certainly the people involved seem to be very positive about the future of it. So fingers crossed, yeah, absolutely Great choice, well done.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, well done.
Speaker 1:I think you chose wisely there. Thanks On to me, then.
Speaker 2:On to you, on to me. I love talking about me, even though it wasn't as good as yours.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know if I agree with that. I was just like I was probably as punched at the short list I gave you. So Lauren gave me five as well. So the first one was EFX, and then we had Ruthless, the stage mother of all musicals. The first one was EFX, uh huh. And then we had Ruthless, the stage mother of all musicals. They call it Then Only Foes and Horses the musical Treason the musical and then Ride.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So Well, I go in order of what I listened and then how I came to my decision. So I actually listened to. I don't know why I actually really liked the logo or the poster for Ride.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I listened to Ride and I was sure that was that's what I was going to do.
Speaker 2:Because I was like.
Speaker 1:I loved it. It's brilliant. Anybody who has not listened to it, listen to it. It's about the first female who cycled around the world. Yeah, it's like two. It's a two-hander, isn't? It it's two women and that is it. Like that is the soundtrack, but oh, my goodness I the. Is it freya katrine sm Smith who is the lead. Her voice is insane, like brilliant, and the music is so beautiful. It's great. Yeah, loved it. I was like right, I think I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 2:I think I'm gonna do this and had you not listened to that before? See, that was the one I sent and I thought maybe you've already I had listened to one out of the five, and that was it right.
Speaker 1:So then I listened to, because you were like have you listened to it yet? Have you listened to it yet? Efx yeah now EFX.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna shatter my childhood dreams here.
Speaker 1:I don even I still don't know what it is. I just it was a lot, it was a lot, a lot, a lot. Mgm Grand Is that in Las Vegas?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it is a hotel in Las Vegas, okay.
Speaker 1:But was this a musical?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Or was this like a showcase kind of?
Speaker 2:So this was a musical in that was just commissioned for MGM brand.
Speaker 1:Okay, all about special effects, right.
Speaker 2:No, it's about a fantasy world.
Speaker 1:He meets Merlin and he travels through See there's my problem Me and fantasy we don't tend to go together. It was an awful lot, but the main thing that put me off was Michael Crawford. Michael Crawford in his day was Michael Crawford wonderful right, I struggle with old Michael Crawford. His day was Michael Crawford wonderful right, I struggle with old Michael Crawford so the only version online is Michael Crawford.
Speaker 2:Well, I have David Cassidy. Yes, and you did send me a video and I appreciated the video yeah but I just went.
Speaker 1:It's a bit much for me, I'm not gonna go with it. Now there's some songs that are very good. If somebody other than Michael Crawford sang them, then Only Fools and Horses I've been aware of and I've been a bit like I loved Only Fools and Horses on TV, loved it, loved it right.
Speaker 1:I did not know that about you but I was a bit like when it first came to fruition that it had been turned into music. I was like well, that's ridiculous. And then it was in the haymarket theater for like so long, like ages, and I was like it must be pretty decent if it's like been around and I went, or there's just loads of only fools and horses and fans out there. I listened to the cast recording recording. Oh my God, it's brilliant.
Speaker 2:It's so good.
Speaker 1:So it is coming to the Opera House? It is. Can we go and see it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1:Because I would love to see it and that was the musical I was going to do. It took over right for me. I didn't listen to Trees in the Musical because I'd already listened to it and it's brilliant. It, I think, has potential for the future, my goodness. So yes, the reason why I didn't choose it was because I think there's more to come and I can see us doing yeah trees in the musical as an episode absolutely because it's already had two concerts yeah version.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, with different performers, because we've had car um carrie hope fletcher and we've had lucy jones with brally jaden. There's been big names big names but it just hasn't had a production yet, so yeah, yeah, I'm kind of glad you didn't choose it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, but I also wasn't aware.
Speaker 2:Glad you didn't choose it, but. I also wasn't aware if you had listened to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I think I listened to it about a year ago maybe. Yeah that was when the second concert was just coming out, the one with Bradley Jaden and Cedric O'Neill, I think.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I look forward to seeing what happens with it. I think, yes, yeah, so I look forward to seeing what happens with it. So it was only Fills and Horses until the last one I listened to was Ruthless.
Speaker 2:Love it.
Speaker 1:The stage mother of all musicals. You know me so well. I do, it is me, it is me, isn't it? It's a bit of me.
Speaker 2:It is hilarious.
Speaker 1:It is me, it is me, isn't it? It's a bit of me. It is hilarious, it is hilarious and it's really like. This podcast is weird, Lauren, because we mentioned in our last episode All Shook Up about I Love you, You're Perfect, Now Change, and it gave me I Love you, You're Perfect, Now Change vibes.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I have chosen Writhless. Love it, yeah, so I have chosen Ruthless, love it. Which is also one of the. Is it the old? I think it's the oldest musical of the five you gave me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, yeah, oh, no, it definitely is, and it has a real old sound to it. Because of what it's mimicking An old musical, yeah, an old musical theatre like, but it is absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 1:So Ruthless is the story of a naive 1950s housewife, judy. Now I should say the plot is ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Oh, so convoluted.
Speaker 1:So ridiculous and I'm not even going to go into the depths of the plot. Right, but it's about a naive 1950s housewife, Judy, and her adorable but psychopathic eight-year-old musical theatre loving daughter, Tina.
Speaker 2:And I think you need to really highlight psychopathic oh, totally psychopathic.
Speaker 1:I mean I think I've come across a few Tina's in my time. Tina is born to be on the stage and is encouraged by her manager, sylvia. Tina will do anything to get the lead role in her school play, and that includes murdering the little girl who's got the lead role. Yeah, she took her up to the eaves and she hung her.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:She gave her an opportunity to give up the part. She didn't give up the part, so Tina took things into her own hands.
Speaker 2:She did.
Speaker 1:But I mean, you shouldn't laugh at things like that, but hilarious, absolutely hilarious, but hilarious, absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 1:In act two, whilst tina is spending time in a reform school for psychopathic ingenues, judy, her mother discovers from her adoptive mother. So judy is is adopted, right. But she discovers from her adoptive mother, when she's asking this question of, well, like, who, like where did did Tina get her talents from? Like, I'm not talented. Like where did she get them from? She discovers from her adoptive mother that actually her birth mother was in fact a famous actress. Now that explains Tina's talents. Judy then decides well, I mean, if my mother was a famous Broadway like actress, then I must have some talent and she too should be famous as well. And she does become a Broadway diva, much to the annoyance of her daughter, tina.
Speaker 1:And all hell breaks loose and there's more murders and there's more treachery and backstabbing and all the rest of it Secrets come out Between Tina and her mother? Yeah, and secrets galore, blah de blah, blah. But it is an absolute roar. It's a sketch, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It is hilarious, irreverent. I think that's why I love it so, different from a lot of the other shows of the 90s Mm-hmm With potentially dangerous levels of overacting and high camp.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like it's camp.
Speaker 2:And it's early 90s, isn't it? It was like 92 or something, yeah.
Speaker 1:So Writhless Musical is an all-female musical and I did notice a bit of a. I don't know if you knew. Did you know that you were doing this when you gave me my musicals? No, I had Ruthless, that was an all-female musical. Ride that was two females.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like oh, I see what she's doing here. No, I didn't?
Speaker 1:Maybe not. So it's an all-female musical with music by Marvin Laird and books and lyrics by Joel Pally. That often spoofs musicals like Gypsy and Mame and also movies such as the Bad Seed and All About Eve. The musical premiered interestingly because you've mentioned Off-Broadway and you know how we should be championing more things that are in places like Off-Broadway. This musical premiered Off-Broadway in 1992 in the Players Theatre, closing after 342 performances. Joel Pally directed whilst Marvin Laird was MD, so it was a really small team and it felt it. Do you know what I mean? It felt like a nice musical that you could put on on a small scale in an off-Broadway venue, not too big, and just have real heart and care given to it. The central role of Tina was then played by the unknown Laura Bell Bundy before she went on to originate Legally Blonde on Broadway, and her understudies were Natalie Portman and Brittany Flippin.
Speaker 2:Spears, I know how like what I mean secretly.
Speaker 1:That's the main reason I chose it. Okay, I was like Natalie Portman and Brittany Spears were the understudies, like Emma May, as Brittany Spears didn't shove Laura Bell Bundy down the stairs to get on. Now that would have been ironic, wouldn't it? The show won the 1993 New York Outer Critics Circle Award for Best Off Broadway Musical, and it has since played in a few regional theatres in the US and another Off Broadway run in 2015. The musical then made its West End premiere at the Arts Theatre. We've just talked about the Arts.
Speaker 1:Theatre In 2018. And a recording of the London production was released by Broadway HD in 2019. And I also think it's on Amazon Prime.
Speaker 2:Oh, is it? I couldn't quite find it. I knew what's on the stage. Anyway, sometimes they release. It was. There was like a snippet of it, and you could watch it for so many months or something. But I didn't realise it was still on there If it's still out there, shall we watch? It together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, Because I was like maybe I should go and watch it, for obviously the pod, and I was like, no, if it's out there. Lauren and I watch it for the for obviously the pod and I was like no if it's out there, lauren and I'll watch it together and you're more than welcome to come to. Does this sound like your type of musical? There we go so ruthless. The musical is an all-female musical, as I've said, with just sorry, I got it wrong seven female characters.
Speaker 1:However, although the the musical was written for an all-female cast, it has become somewhat of a tradition to have the role of Sylvia, who is Tina's um agent agent, okay, played or performed by a man, which really confused me when I read all-female cast and I was like I definitely heard a male voice in the cast recording. Um, and that is simply just because Joel Vig gave the best edition for the original 1992 production and ever since then it just has kind of become a bit of a thing that Sylvia's played in drag and what an amazing thing.
Speaker 2:We say all the time if you're the best person for the role, you should get the role, absolutely just like. If you're the best person for the role, you should get the role, absolutely just like. If you're the best person for the job, you should get the job.
Speaker 1:That's it it was nominated for five drama desk awards in 1992, including for laura bell bundy, joel pally as director uh, joel pally for his lyrics, and then Brilliant yeah, really good. So a bit like you, I didn't learn a huge amount from it, but my goodness, there was a lot of me in it.
Speaker 2:Does that make?
Speaker 1:sense. So it just made me laugh and I wanted to share some of the lyrics from it Because they are so ridiculously hilarious, especially when it comes to musicals. We're doing a musical theater podcast heck, why not? So you can have it all if you're talented. That's the first thing I learned. One of the lyrics says well and this is sylvia, I think that's singing in the number talent. Well, it's all banana splits. When you've got talent, you don't have to show your tits if you've got talent. So there you go. If you're talented, you don't need to be flashing it also. So this word ingenue came up, and I didn't know what an ingenue was. So the lyric in Talent is you're no silly plastic ingenue in cheesy ads for cheap shampoo. And an ingenue is generally a young girl or woman who is endearingly innocent, or an ingenue might also refer to a new young actress or one typecast in such roles. Oh, so there you go. Very clever ingenue.
Speaker 1:That's what an ingenue is also, um, in talent. Uh, she sings I'm your auntie maim, your mama rose, and there's nothing gonna stop us till we're through, and that's one of many. They reference gypsy quite a lot. Yes, because when they're auditioning for the school, play, yeah, the school. Uh, teacher sings, sing up louise, which louise is the name of the child who did get the role, who then ends up being killed by tina per louise I know okay, the next uh number that really stood out to me as a teacher was teaching third grade it's
Speaker 1:called sung by the the teacher. So, like it happens many times in our professions, or in stage schools or when you're casting shows, there'll always be parents that don't agree with your decision. I'm not going to say anymore, but it just rang true to me as a teacher. This teacher singing about teaching third grade. She sings uh noses, runny noses, bleeding little run, so bloody needy say nothing. Yeah, oh, I love grading papers. She sings the pay is terrific, my summers are free, so who needs the limelight when you can be me?
Speaker 2:right, it's like you wrote it. I tell you what um, she also sings.
Speaker 1:She'll have to get over not starring this year. Into each life, rain falls. I'm afraid life's a bitch and it starts in third grade now. If only as professionals we could ever be that honest. Right, will I have a job after this? Yeah, okay. So then when Judy's like questioning, well, where's this talent come from? They sing this song. Talent Often Skips a Generation. Okay, lol, laugh like Lloyd so.
Speaker 1:Judy says two wonderful people raised me. Sylvia goes are they at all gifted? And Judy says mother hates everything to do with theatre. She's a theatre critic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, love it. It's so true though, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Like people who hate the theatre the most are theatre critics. It makes sense, doesn't it? Yeah, and then Judy sings. Well, I feel sorry for her and everyone like her, because show people are doomed. Doomed to a lifestyle of booze, pills and heavy meals late at night. And that is fact. Okay, maybe not the booze and the pills, but you see, if you're involved in a show, your diet goes out the window, your fitness regime goes out the window, your fitness regime goes out the window. It's like heavy meals late at night after a rehearsal when you get home because you have no other choice yeah, no time.
Speaker 2:No time now the school play.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna try okay called pippi in tahiti oh, my goodness Because it sounds like a surefire hit right. Oh my goodness, Imagine doing a school play called Pippi in Tahiti. So Tahiti, situated in the central part of the Pacific Ocean. I'd heard of Tahiti but I never had any idea where it was the largest island of a group of islands in French Polynesia. It also sings about Bora Bora.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:Bora Bora is a small South Pacific island northwest of Tahiti, and they sing coconuts, mangoes, grass huts and, look, the Bora Bora Hilton. This must be Tahiti. And I'm Pippi. Pippi Sounds good, right? I think maybe my favourite song and it was so good they gave it a reprise is called I Hate Musicals, the best song, isn't it One of the songs that needs to be considered for best song on a musical? Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:Hilarious too.
Speaker 1:Yeah it. And like if you listen to it's a musical from something rotten yeah, and then listen to I hate musicals from ruthless yeah, like the two are perfect yeah in a playlist, aren't they. I mean, I learned nothing from it. I was affronted, but absolutely hilarious with some truth, sadly, it actually had me laughing out loud.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's it. Where I was going. I was driving at the time and I was like this is so funny and so true. I think.
Speaker 1:I listened to it about five times in a row because it, just as you said it, made me laugh. It warmed my cockles too. They sing. Honestly, if I want for the theatre, I'll go see a play with no singing and dancing to get in the way. This is just downright rude. Theatre is language. It sounded like you a wee bit because you know the way you love your straight plays and stuff. Theatre is language and that should be all. Music belongs in Carnegie Hall. Not a reason on earth, as far as I know, to write, mount and open a musical show and that, my friends, is in a musical.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The story is moving, chocked, full of suspense, the plot takes a twist, the mood is intense. Then someone sings a song like this. It just doesn't make sense. It's brilliant gangs, the hilarious. Because I love this? Because it referenced loads of other shows yeah, so gangs don't look tough when they twirl and they snap referencing west side story. Yeah, my gorge starts to rise if a nun starts to tap the funniest lines in the show. And wouldn't you just love to slap maria von trapp? I'll tell you how to solve a problem like maria rolf.
Speaker 2:She's over there isn't that brilliant, so funny, so funny and that that reminds me of my dad so much as well where he's just like I'll tell you how to solve a problem like maria she's over there, yeah great, it's brilliant so.
Speaker 1:So good they then gave it a reprise. So when I hate musicals reprise how I hated Phantom down with the candelabra I took a book along and read through Les Miserables or no, it was Les Miserables.
Speaker 2:Blah Blah.
Speaker 1:When it comes to subtlety. My second on fell a hair short. If I want helicopters, I'll go to the airport. It's very true. Last lines, which sums this, show up beautifully, no matter who you're starring, I'm never enticed. It's way overpriced and I won't pay Because I hate musicals. But I fear they're here to say damn right, I hate musicals, but not as much as I hate ballet great fantastic it was.
Speaker 1:Thank you, because I had never heard of it, it had never come onto my radar before and it will now be in my wee musical theatre playlist I love it anytime I need a bit of a laugh yeah and a bit of a giggle and I don't know where I first heard of it.
Speaker 2:I think it was um tina's song. I was like born to perform like um whenever I was like little like oh, really yeah uh knew that little.
Speaker 1:Did you know the context behind the whole show?
Speaker 2:no, didn't know it at all the psychopathic killer Tina also knew that it was Britney and it maybe came from, like Caitlin being obsessed with, like my sister being obsessed with Britney Spears or something, but knew that she was in it but I didn't know anything about it. So classified does.
Speaker 1:Britney never talk about it in any of her interviews. That's what people want to hear.
Speaker 2:Of course, time on Riffles Musical theatre.
Speaker 1:Did she ever get on? Did she feel like she wanted to be like Tina and like, push the you know, the lead actress, Laura Bell Bundy. I love that it's Laura Bell Bundy too. I know, and that she's gone on Before she then became and Natalie Portman, oh my goodness, like big movie faps person but yeah, oh, that's good, I'm so glad and I'm so glad that you like loved Only Fills and Horses 2.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I loved it. It was I was ready, like I was ready, to sit down and prep it, like I was so adamant. Right, that's it. I have to talk about this one.
Speaker 2:We maybe should talk about it at some point no, I think we should especially well think of it if we go to see it like that would be good too to talk about it after we've seen it, and I would never have thought of going to see it.
Speaker 1:I knew it had to be until I'd listened to it. Good.
Speaker 2:I think we watched it. One of those like children in Children in Aid or Red Nose Day or something like that. And I was like do you know, I never watched, Only Fools and Horses.
Speaker 1:Oh, I loved that.
Speaker 2:I know my brother-in-law is a big fan, big, big fan, but I never watched it. I've seen a few episodes here and there, but I thought this works. This has legs and I like the man that is playing. What do you call him Paul?
Speaker 1:Paul Whitehouse.
Speaker 2:Whitehouse playing. What do you call him? Paul paul whitehouse? I think he has something to do with it.
Speaker 1:I think, yeah, um, and with I think the son of the original writer of the tv series, and I like that, like I was like that's really nice and I think that's why it's probably decent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and sure they're doing a big christmas run instead of like a pantomime they're doing a christmas run at the minute and Finney Jones is in it. Oh, interesting, so yeah, but no, I loved all of those choices yeah Ones that you give me. So I think that I would love to, hopefully, in like 12 months time we're talking about becoming Nancy, or being Nancy Because I think that that's going to be a very special musical.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there maybe take EFX off the list, but there is a list of nine, really great. No, listen to EFX, it's fine Listen to.
Speaker 2:EFX. But you know what? There's not very many songs in it. It's all music-based too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was all just a lot.
Speaker 2:It was a little bit of nostalgia. You see what happened. I'll tell you the story. My parents went to see it, Okay, and me and my sister were left in the room. So we then fantasized over this.
Speaker 1:You know, I actually have a wee tiny violin at home that plays it's class.
Speaker 2:No. So we then almost like, built this thing up, like what was it, and we just read the program and listened to the soundtrack and we just thought it would be amazing, but we actually didn't get to go see it and did they love it?
Speaker 1:absolutely adored it, even your dad, yeah thought it was good like the visuals, I'm sure yeah yeah, no, I'm saying, that did.
Speaker 2:Maybe we did go and see it oh, lordy does we didn't go see it. It's late folks. Yeah, go and listen to all of those musicals that we mentioned. We'll put them up on the socials so that you can see them.
Speaker 1:And let us know, once you've listened to them, what ones were your favourite? Yeah, do Listen to new musical theatre people.
Speaker 2:That's it. The whole podcast is about things that we have learned from musicals, but also how musicals have helped us.
Speaker 1:We've been taught and if Britney Spears wants to come on the podcast to talk about her time on Ruthless, we'd be more than happy to have you Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Anybody wants to come on the podcast, or Natalie?
Speaker 1:Portman yeah.
Speaker 2:You know? Uh, no problem, perfect, doors always open.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll see you there did the second challenge episode live up to the first one?
Speaker 2:yeah, it was good it was good yeah, I do enjoy this yeah, no, it is definitely a good challenge. I do like discovering new musicals. I'm being forced to. I have to give something another go because I think, for me especially, sometimes I can just go. Oh, I didn't really love that fair um, I still haven't quite listened to um warriors. For the second time I need to do that yeah so, yeah, listen, try and listen to things more than once. Yeah, I think it's my lesson that I'm going to take away from today. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1:And for now, let's go and eat cake Ha Bye.
